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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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and a bit of a somber welcome to the the

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skeptic zone today skeptics out number

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Richard Saunders here with you once

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again yes what a pity what a pity

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Christopher Hitchens died a few days ago

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talking a little bit about Christopher

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Hitchens very soon on the show with our

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not going to dwell on on this topic too

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much there many other blogs many other

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order to well if not stop her from

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understand her true motives and as if

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you needed reminding her and her monkeys

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it and they want to use them no that's a

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front folks she wants her and her

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monkeys want us to stop using

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vaccinations in our society and used

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diseases I kid you not that's the topic

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Maynard and speaking of mad men out he's

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a couple of days now maybe two days to

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get your bid in for the double CD of me

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nerd classics try saying that three

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times quickly a double CD set plus i

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autographed by Maynard plus autographed

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by Brian Dunning and myself skip tied

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three brines book skipped I three and as

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if those were not enough I've just added

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to the auction or the winning bidder

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will receive this as well as well a

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poster from the recent committee for

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skeptical inquiry convention in New

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poster that is coming to you the winning

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bidder go to skeptics own TV and follow

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the links to the ebay auction every cent

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raised through this auction will go

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towards Maynard's plane ticket to tam

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tend in Las Vegas so he can be our man

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on the spot running around with these

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microphone getting lots of interviews

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for you to enjoy for you to sit back go

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bath carefully with your headphones on

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interviews and reports from cam 10 in

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las vegas next year oh that's enough now

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downstairs and yes folks I'm going to

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quiet Johnnie Walker to the memory of

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Christopher Hitchens and we can all

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and on the line now from beautiful

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the skeptic zone Ben redfin hello Ben

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hello there New Mexico New Mexico is the

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convicted felon Sylvia Browne and we'll

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lost three days of productivity but it

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was amazing to see him you know there'd

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a it's a it was a you know I enjoyed

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convictions and which of course he was

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anger percent and everything you say

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own political views but certain when it

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came to critical thinking in the areas

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that we normally

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look at the vaguely the paranormal and

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all that sort of stuff then I think we

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were all certainly on his sailing ship

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even if it was three sheets to the wind

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occasion a good good analogy in a good

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segue there you go there you go all

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right now let's talk about somebody else

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who should be three sheets to the wind I

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don't know we're talking about that old

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classic that old standby the what's the

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other word i'm looking for the old

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chestnut Sylvia Browne Sylvia Browne for

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those people who don't know out there

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she's one of the longer time so-called

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psychic mediums I haven't seen her act

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haven't seen a show but it just it

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occurs to me that it's really really

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really nothing special it's probably

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just based level kindergarten Cole

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reading but it doesn't seem to matter

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too much for her devoted fans it doesn't

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and actually one thing that I've that

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I've that I've been surprised with her

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is that is that a lot of these sort of

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you know high-profile big-name skeptics

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you know not skeptics but but you know

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psychic detectives such as her and

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psychics a lot of them tend to be very

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amiable and okay you know how can I help

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you out i mean you know james and prague

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very sympathetic even John Edward but a

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lot of times if you look at Sylvia's

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stuff she's downright nasty she's you

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know there are times when she's like you

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know honey you're great your mom loves

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you about a lot but there's times when

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she just she's just very dismissive and

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and irritated with her with her audience

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and which is kind of surprising to me

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because again typically when you when

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you're looking at people who are trying

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to sell their psychic powers they trade

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on you know up hearing sympathetic and

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there you know you know I'm in touch

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with you I'm on your behalf and whatever

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else in her case a lot of times I know

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that a lot of times but certainly there

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are times when I've seen or where it's

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just just just sort of I just kind of

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brusk enough and actually I I think

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brusk is the word and it's in any I

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think

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in a weird way it actually might bolster

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her credibility you were part of a an

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action very recently involving banners

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and signs and this is where we come back

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to why I was saying before Sylvia Browne

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convicted felon yes yes you better fill

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us in on that Ben sure well yeah I am

329
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again but as part of my regular work i

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would say every every month or two if

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not more often i'll write about some

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psychic or some psychic detective just

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in the course of what i do and i like to

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keep tabs on these people whenever

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there's high-profile missing case in

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missing persons cases and psychics

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appearing in the news I whenever I

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obviously I can't be on every single one

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of them but whenever I can there's a

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high enough profile one I try and you

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know research at least a little bit and

342
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you know what maybe write it up or

343
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something else and so I try in some ways

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to keep tabs on some of these folks and

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I happen to notice i'm gonna say maybe

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about a month ago that Sylvia Browne was

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going to be here in Albuquerque here in

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New Mexico or near where I live and um

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you know I thought about well you know

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what am I gonna do I mean she's actually

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it was actually at a casino about I

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don't know half an hour outside of

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Albuquerque not too far away and um and

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well you know i'm sure i don't really

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want to you know pay 120 dollars you

356
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note for a ticket to see to see here to

357
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see your stick i mean i've seen that

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before and frankly i'm not going to

359
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learn anything new cuz I you know again

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I pretty familiar with with what she

361
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does and how she does it so try think of

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a well you know should I just ignore it

363
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should just let it go away and then um

364
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then I remembered that of course she's a

365
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convicted felon because she she actually

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as a fraud felony conviction for

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stealing money back in i think is the

368
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remedy 15-20 years ago give or take and

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when she was still married back when she

370
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her original name was I think of Celeste

371
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Brown with without that without the e

372
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she changed she had at the e at the end

373
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as if that changes her name or something

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are no sera laguna right and so i'm

375
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trying to think okay well you know how

376
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quote about a little bit of you know

377
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maybe maybe a little bit of a grassroots

378
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grassroots skeptical activism you know

379
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of course the

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these are tumultuous times you know in

381
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the last few months we've seen you know

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Occupy Wall Street you know various

383
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cities across the world are being

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occupied by protesters who aren't happy

385
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with with the conditions but economic

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conditions and social conditions and I

387
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probably was influenced a little bit by

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little little rabble-rousing and so I

389
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said well why don't we try and give a

390
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give Sylvia a little skeptical

391
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Albuquerque welcome and so try to think

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well what exactly would we do I mean you

393
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know do we really want to go protest you

394
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know I mean what would be the what would

395
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be the well it what would be the best

396
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way to go about this so that it's not

397
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you know it's it's not too big a deal

398
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and you because I didn't know how many

399
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people I was gonna be able to have I

400
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mean I would just think he would just be

401
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me frankly I figured if I could get

402
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local skeptics then all the better but I

403
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I couldn't really plan or orchestrate

404
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some big massive protest and so not my

405
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my main thought was to was to put up a

406
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banner in fact two banners and so I'll

407
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triethyl what what you know what do what

408
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do they say and then I figure well why

409
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not just say something simple clacton

410
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felon Sylvia Browne because you know

411
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most people don't know that she's a

412
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convicted felon and and almost certainly

413
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most people who are going to hear her

414
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speak and buy her books and you'll get

415
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her autograph and hear her do her story

416
00:18:46,210 --> 00:18:44,300
most of them probably don't know that

417
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she is a she's a convicted criminal and

418
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so I said well why not just go ahead and

419
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just make it simple so I i had so i

420
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actually looked into a little bit and i

421
00:18:59,169 --> 00:18:57,380
put a note on facebook saying look you

422
00:19:01,090 --> 00:18:59,179
know silly brown is going to be here in

423
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:01,100
about a week week and a half if there's

424
00:19:05,140 --> 00:19:02,330
any skeptics out there that would like

425
00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:05,150
to contribute to donate because there's

426
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going to be probably about a hundred

427
00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:08,750
fifty dollars yeah and you know I

428
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figured I mean I could I could probably

429
00:19:13,419 --> 00:19:11,390
scrounge it up but I figure you know why

430
00:19:15,070 --> 00:19:13,429
not make it more of a it's kind of a

431
00:19:16,419 --> 00:19:15,080
hard hit just for one person so figure

432
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why not go and spread it around see if

433
00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:18,650
other people wanted to contribute and I

434
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said you know this is what I'm gonna do

435
00:19:25,299 --> 00:19:22,640
and sure enough within about i'm going

436
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:25,309
to say 24 hours give or take I'd raised

437
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:28,730
about 130 hundred fifty dollars a couple

438
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:30,410
skeptics you know five dollars here 20

439
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:32,450
bucks there makes a big bomb absolutely

440
00:19:36,790 --> 00:19:34,730
yeah yeah and so so basically I ordered

441
00:19:39,460 --> 00:19:36,800
two banners to three foot by eight foot

442
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banners that just say convicted felons

443
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Sylvia Browne

444
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um and it left a little bit of space to

445
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the right of her name on the banner so

446
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that you could you could actually make

447
00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:50,360
an arrow yeah so my idea was that what

448
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we end up doing is that so you put a

449
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little a little black arrow on there so

450
00:19:58,780 --> 00:19:56,360
that way we actually be helping her out

451
00:20:00,820 --> 00:19:58,790
so you know for people who are trying to

452
00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:00,830
find where convicted felon Sylvia Browne

453
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:03,590
is his appearing follow the design right

454
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so so I managed to scrounge up I think

455
00:20:13,060 --> 00:20:10,760
we had five or six people local it was

456
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kind of last minute so you know this was

457
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not you know this just didn't have a

458
00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:17,930
whole lot of lead time so we got five or

459
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six people and we drove out there on the

460
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night of her appearance she was she went

461
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on at seven o'clock and i really liked

462
00:20:30,250 --> 00:20:28,130
was eight o'clock and so basically what

463
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we did was we went into three different

464
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teams and there were two of us on each

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of two banners and one of them was

466
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stationed just at the at the the freeway

467
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exit because again the the casino the

468
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:43,580
shoes appearing is a bit of a little

469
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ways outside of outside of the main city

470
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and so in order to get to the casino all

471
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the people i mean obviously they're

472
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:49,580
going to be drawing mostly from

473
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albuquerque yeah and basically we wanted

474
00:20:58,780 --> 00:20:55,370
it so that anybody going to see her has

475
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,790
to go right past her sign to go do that

476
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,320
so we did that and we were there for

477
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about an hour before her appearance and

478
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:04,130
so there was one there was there two of

479
00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:07,490
us over and actually it was it was

480
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:09,110
starting to get dark but we found a

481
00:21:12,610 --> 00:21:10,610
place underneath some lights so it was

482
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:12,620
really well lit and then another team

483
00:21:17,380 --> 00:21:14,650
was actually much closer to the casino

484
00:21:18,910 --> 00:21:17,390
over by the parking lot in case they

485
00:21:21,850 --> 00:21:18,920
missed us the first time and then we had

486
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:21,860
we had one person who actually went into

487
00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:23,690
the casino with flyers and she had a

488
00:21:27,790 --> 00:21:25,190
handful of fliers that were provided to

489
00:21:29,710 --> 00:21:27,800
me by the independent vestigation group

490
00:21:32,260 --> 00:21:29,720
and jim hunter down who's done a lot of

491
00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:32,270
stuff like that and Jim sent me some

492
00:21:36,610 --> 00:21:34,280
flyers and I got a couple days ahead

493
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:36,620
time and so she was just very sweet and

494
00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:37,970
polite and just handed out flyers to

495
00:21:44,890 --> 00:21:40,220
each person coming in waiting in line

496
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:44,900
for the for the to see Sylvia and it was

497
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:46,850
again it was all you know is non

498
00:21:50,530 --> 00:21:48,770
confrontational nobody was studying

499
00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:50,540
fires nobody was getting arrested it was

500
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:52,910
all just very peaceful and and so my

501
00:21:56,460 --> 00:21:53,890
thought was

502
00:21:59,700 --> 00:21:56,470
and you know it made a point i mean

503
00:22:01,620 --> 00:21:59,710
people you could not not see the sign on

504
00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:01,630
the way just it was impossible to not

505
00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:03,910
see convicted felon silly brown on there

506
00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:07,420
as you're going in and and inspect and

507
00:22:12,510 --> 00:22:10,180
then plus again many people who after

508
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:12,520
going going through that they also got

509
00:22:17,610 --> 00:22:15,730
the they handed the flyer and so it was

510
00:22:20,370 --> 00:22:17,620
a you know the whole protest took maybe

511
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:20,380
two hours including travel time I spent

512
00:22:25,050 --> 00:22:22,930
some money on doughnuts and gave those

513
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:25,060
the volunteers and and the beautiful

514
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part is that now I know how these two

515
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,900
banners and so what I'm going to do is I

516
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:31,360
can go to to Brown's website and and I

517
00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:33,370
can see your tour dates and so what I'm

518
00:22:37,290 --> 00:22:35,500
going to do is I'm going to contact the

519
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,300
this local skeptics for example I think

520
00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:40,480
she's going to be in San Diego yeah I

521
00:22:44,250 --> 00:22:42,760
think January eighth and ninth or

522
00:22:46,410 --> 00:22:44,260
something so I'm going to contact the

523
00:22:48,740 --> 00:22:46,420
the San Diego skeptics skeptics and say

524
00:22:52,350 --> 00:22:48,750
hey if you'd like I've got to pre made

525
00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:52,360
us convicted felon Sylvia Browne banners

526
00:22:56,580 --> 00:22:54,580
you're welcome to use and hopefully

527
00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:56,590
they'll just follow her and they'll

528
00:23:00,780 --> 00:22:58,930
they'll be there to greet her at all her

529
00:23:04,170 --> 00:23:00,790
appearances for the next few years wow

530
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:04,180
did you have any reaction on the night

531
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:07,090
from people big notable reaction well

532
00:23:11,580 --> 00:23:08,530
that that's an interesting question I

533
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:11,590
that there was some reaction I was one

534
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:13,090
of the people that was stationed but the

535
00:23:19,650 --> 00:23:17,530
freeway so you know I you know basically

536
00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:19,660
you know either cars World War honking

537
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:23,620
yeah this and in actually we got almost

538
00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:27,370
no reaction and at first the the guy

539
00:23:31,260 --> 00:23:29,230
that I was there with because we had you

540
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:31,270
know once would one end of the banner at

541
00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:32,650
first to be a little bit disappointed

542
00:23:36,090 --> 00:23:34,510
and then we realized that the people

543
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,100
that were seeing this and the people

544
00:23:40,050 --> 00:23:37,840
that are going to see her they're not

545
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:40,060
skeptics they're believers they're

546
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:41,770
they're they're not gonna be giving us

547
00:23:46,380 --> 00:23:43,450
the thumbs up if anything they'll be

548
00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:46,390
giving us a different finger and so you

549
00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:48,790
know we shouldn't you know that the fact

550
00:23:55,260 --> 00:23:50,440
that we're not getting any you know you

551
00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:55,270
go honks we wouldn't expect them to and

552
00:23:58,110 --> 00:23:56,470
the same thing with the other people

553
00:24:02,460 --> 00:23:58,120
that were there were parked that were

554
00:24:05,790 --> 00:24:02,470
closer to the casino however our one

555
00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:05,800
member who was in the casino she she

556
00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:07,020
reported

557
00:24:11,420 --> 00:24:10,140
interesting things at one point you know

558
00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:11,430
first of all when she was handing out

559
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:12,750
these these flyers will have sheet

560
00:24:17,150 --> 00:24:14,910
pliers a lot of people they thought that

561
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:17,160
they were part of the the Sylvia Browne

562
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:18,900
crew so they're like oh that's the great

563
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:20,760
can I have one for my friend and she's

564
00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:23,970
like sure so she's hanging em out left

565
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:27,150
right and center um and you know she's

566
00:24:31,910 --> 00:24:28,640
you know she's being very polite and

567
00:24:33,530 --> 00:24:31,920
apparently the the casino security did

568
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:33,540
come and look at it they didn't they

569
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:34,980
didn't threaten her they didn't they

570
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:36,600
were just kept an eye on her but again

571
00:24:40,130 --> 00:24:38,250
she wasn't being disruptive she wasn't

572
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:40,140
being confrontational trying to pick a

573
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:42,890
fight just very you know very low key

574
00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:45,210
and then and then it was interesting

575
00:24:50,150 --> 00:24:48,150
because I guess about 10 or 15 minutes

576
00:24:52,940 --> 00:24:50,160
before it started this one woman came in

577
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:52,950
and and and said oh are you and I guess

578
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,900
she thought that you know our member was

579
00:24:58,910 --> 00:24:57,120
with with Sylvia Browne city did you see

580
00:25:02,510 --> 00:24:58,920
that sign out front what is this thing

581
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:02,520
about a convicted felon and and she said

582
00:25:07,790 --> 00:25:04,170
yeah I understand she is a convicted

583
00:25:10,550 --> 00:25:07,800
felon do you want to fly her and she she

584
00:25:13,550 --> 00:25:10,560
is so after a while she sort of caught

585
00:25:17,030 --> 00:25:13,560
on that yeah this is we were not on her

586
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:17,040
side um but but certainly there was

587
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,110
there was talk i mean people people

588
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:21,120
notice the signs I mean how can you not

589
00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:23,640
I mean you know certainly you know I

590
00:25:27,050 --> 00:25:25,020
don't know if every single person did

591
00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:27,060
but I I can't see how the vast majority

592
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:29,190
of people in her audience wouldn't have

593
00:25:33,170 --> 00:25:31,140
at least been exposed to it and and at

594
00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:33,180
the end of the day that's all I'm trying

595
00:25:37,460 --> 00:25:35,640
to do you know i'm not i'm not trying to

596
00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:37,470
put silly brown out of business I'm not

597
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,950
trying to defame her I'm simply I'm

598
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:42,960
simply letting you know the fact that

599
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:45,000
she has a felony conviction is public

600
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,250
record I'm simply informing people if

601
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,960
you still want to give her your money

602
00:25:53,180 --> 00:25:51,360
even though she's a convicted felon and

603
00:25:57,740 --> 00:25:53,190
you know has been has been as basically

604
00:25:59,960 --> 00:25:57,750
admitted 222222 fraud if that's okay

605
00:26:02,270 --> 00:25:59,970
with you then that's fine I don't have a

606
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:02,280
problem with that if but you know if on

607
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:05,010
the other hand if it matters to you that

608
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,260
you that this person is a felon then

609
00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:08,880
then you know then that sort of gives

610
00:26:15,410 --> 00:26:12,390
them the information and the the

611
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:15,420
beautiful part is a lot of times as i

612
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,980
recall and if she still does this but

613
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:18,960
for a while she did there's a Q&A

614
00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:20,890
section at the end

615
00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:23,980
and I will I would loved I would love to

616
00:26:29,070 --> 00:26:25,630
hear that someone raised their hand and

617
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:29,080
say uh Sophie I just have a question are

618
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:32,890
you really convicted felon and just just

619
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:35,110
wait for that beautiful like pause you

620
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:36,970
know because if she says no then of

621
00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:38,440
course people can google it and they

622
00:26:42,090 --> 00:26:40,360
could find out she is yeah if she says

623
00:26:45,540 --> 00:26:42,100
yes then she's just lost credibility

624
00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:45,550
among the entire audience though I I

625
00:26:49,410 --> 00:26:47,980
would I hope this someday that happens I

626
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,420
don't know if I'll be around for that

627
00:26:53,310 --> 00:26:51,520
but so that's that's a little bit of

628
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:53,320
that story there's you Sylvia Browne

629
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,450
story that's that's that's great and

630
00:27:01,740 --> 00:26:57,760
because I've seen photographs up on

631
00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:01,750
Facebook but if people want to find out

632
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:02,950
more if people want to find out more

633
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,410
about Ben Radford and maybe the silvia

634
00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:06,880
story in photographs what's the best

635
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:09,670
place they can go to well there's a

636
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:11,350
couple places they can email me directly

637
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,690
i'm trying to be accessible to ignore

638
00:27:17,490 --> 00:27:15,520
any local skeptics or anyone else

639
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:17,500
they're out there even of general public

640
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:18,970
if you have questions about Sylvia

641
00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:21,400
Browne or you know or sidekicks or

642
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:23,380
psychic detectives in general I'm happy

643
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,110
to talk to you you can reach me at be

644
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:28,720
Radford at center for inquiry net that's

645
00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:35,530
be our ad ewa rd at cen ter fo r inq i

646
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:39,220
qu IR wide net you can also find me yeah

647
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:41,530
it's a bit of a yeah or you could just

648
00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:44,950
google me it's easy but the butt or you

649
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,350
can also find more you can get old me

650
00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:49,120
through facebook been Radford uh music

651
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:50,740
as a hold of there and you can also go

652
00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:53,050
to my website which is Benjamin Radford

653
00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:54,550
calm which is easy to remember because

654
00:27:58,770 --> 00:27:57,340
that's my name Benjamin Radford i hope i

655
00:28:01,860 --> 00:27:58,780
can join you one day in one of these

656
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:01,870
protests and stand there with a sign of

657
00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:04,420
well who knows what who knows what it

658
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:06,400
could be endless possibilities because

659
00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:07,780
there are lots of people out there doing

660
00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:10,030
lots of things that well let's face it

661
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:12,540
we're quite skeptical about but for now

662
00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:15,250
but for now been doing bedford thank you

663
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,020
once again you seem to be quite a

664
00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:18,640
regular guest on the skipping stone but

665
00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:21,100
we're happy to have you anytime this has

666
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:22,300
been Radford signing off from

667
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:35,100
hi this is surly Amy from skeptic org I

668
00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:37,809
make ceramic jewelry it's hand formed

669
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:39,820
and hand-painted it's inspired by

670
00:28:46,529 --> 00:28:42,370
science and skepticism you can find it

671
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:46,539
at surly romics com s you are ly are am

672
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:53,919
ICS com thanks and be skeptical join us

673
00:29:03,539 --> 00:28:56,890
now for drinking skeptically in the

674
00:29:08,909 --> 00:29:03,549
think tank that's adjacent side we

675
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:08,919
present as long as it doesn't go dr. heu

676
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:11,049
were around like nobody's business and

677
00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:12,490
you've been worrying around lately and

678
00:29:16,529 --> 00:29:14,350
i'd like to welcome you dr. Richie

679
00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:16,539
whirring away to the think tank hello

680
00:29:23,549 --> 00:29:20,200
hello she is wearing I'd like to welcome

681
00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:23,559
Jason drunken madman good evening which

682
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,150
is how you know you're not very drunken

683
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:28,480
not yet I'm working on it yeah so as may

684
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:30,460
not hello may not had great to be here I

685
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:31,750
just wanted to say in advance I have

686
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:33,970
nothing intelligent to say you've

687
00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:35,740
already said if he's just a guy he's yes

688
00:29:41,130 --> 00:29:39,460
Iran say give hello Harrison we're all

689
00:29:43,260 --> 00:29:41,140
here at our favorite Club down the end

690
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:43,270
of the street in a special back room

691
00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:45,370
which is full of large mirrors and empty

692
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:47,590
tables that's the only way to describe

693
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:51,130
that really dark and where oh yeah a

694
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,130
dartboard we've discovered something new

695
00:29:58,770 --> 00:29:57,039
well we haven't done a think tank enough

696
00:30:00,270 --> 00:29:58,780
I ever come for quite a while and I'm

697
00:30:03,090 --> 00:30:00,280
glad we're here tonight because we're in

698
00:30:06,539 --> 00:30:03,100
the midst the middle of the Maelstrom

699
00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:06,549
the storm maelstrom hear the storm of

700
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,340
controversy one might say or regarding

701
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:11,919
the appearance of Merrill Dory from the

702
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:13,960
Australian anti-vaccination at work at

703
00:30:19,409 --> 00:30:17,440
the Woodford Folk Festival in Queensland

704
00:30:22,740 --> 00:30:19,419
where exactly is that in Queensland you

705
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:22,750
know yeah it's north of New South Wales

706
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,520
we spend West is what you call the

707
00:30:31,539 --> 00:30:29,919
Sunshine Coast is that yes Queen I'm

708
00:30:35,470 --> 00:30:31,549
sure I listeners

709
00:30:36,879 --> 00:30:35,480
up to speed on what this is all about of

710
00:30:38,409 --> 00:30:36,889
course Meryl Dory is going to be

711
00:30:39,999 --> 00:30:38,419
speaking there I think she's going to be

712
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:40,009
talking about how vaccinations cause

713
00:30:45,369 --> 00:30:42,529
what is in dr. AG if i'm not mistaken uh

714
00:30:49,419 --> 00:30:45,379
well she's on in fact she's doing one

715
00:30:51,609 --> 00:30:49,429
talk which is about autism and how she

716
00:30:54,609 --> 00:30:51,619
can advise parents on ways to reduce

717
00:30:55,749 --> 00:30:54,619
their kids potential forgetting it so i

718
00:30:57,609 --> 00:30:55,759
presume she's going to say there's a

719
00:31:00,700 --> 00:30:57,619
link to vaccines and she's on a panel

720
00:31:02,139 --> 00:31:00,710
where she's talking about toxins which

721
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:02,149
Jason knows a little bit more about I

722
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,570
think I know lots about toxins yes not

723
00:31:10,570 --> 00:31:07,519
though so toxins you fall oh alright

724
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:10,580
yeah Merrill's doing doing two sessions

725
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:14,090
of her one in 38 autism talk which is

726
00:31:18,849 --> 00:31:16,369
based on a Korean study that came out

727
00:31:20,859 --> 00:31:18,859
not too long ago which is really a

728
00:31:23,229 --> 00:31:20,869
statistical outlier swinburne university

729
00:31:26,769 --> 00:31:23,239
did an Australian survey and it came out

730
00:31:29,259 --> 00:31:26,779
to one in 160 I think so one in 38 is

731
00:31:32,289 --> 00:31:29,269
already lying in the title and then

732
00:31:34,869 --> 00:31:32,299
she's doing me de forum so a lot of

733
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,879
people have been saying that yeah this

734
00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:36,320
is a bad thing and other people have

735
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:37,639
been saying well she'll be challenged in

736
00:31:41,950 --> 00:31:39,769
the forum forgetting that she's doing an

737
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:41,960
actual talk yeah so yeah it's a bit

738
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:45,440
worrying somewhat the the it's the

739
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:49,279
Maelstrom the firestorm is because there

740
00:31:53,409 --> 00:31:51,200
are so many blogs and opinion pieces out

741
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,419
there written by you dr. Richie you've

742
00:31:58,779 --> 00:31:55,279
chipped in we've got all sorts of people

743
00:32:00,909 --> 00:31:58,789
writing things on all sorts of blogs and

744
00:32:02,979 --> 00:32:00,919
newspaper sites in the drum for the ABC

745
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:02,989
of the conversation and Mamma Mia Mia

746
00:32:09,489 --> 00:32:06,080
Freedman of course mama Mia ah and the

747
00:32:13,239 --> 00:32:09,499
comments have been incredible extensive

748
00:32:15,970 --> 00:32:13,249
the flying monkeys have flown in outside

749
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:15,980
have come in chimed in well Dora herself

750
00:32:18,989 --> 00:32:17,450
turned up on a couple of them I was

751
00:32:21,369 --> 00:32:18,999
turned up on the moma me a blog and

752
00:32:23,529 --> 00:32:21,379
really didn't do very well did she do a

753
00:32:25,690 --> 00:32:23,539
driveby remember me um she posted about

754
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,700
10 comments roughly and she just got

755
00:32:28,989 --> 00:32:27,679
randomly spanked right I'm throughout

756
00:32:31,330 --> 00:32:28,999
the whole thing and I think she gave up

757
00:32:32,979 --> 00:32:31,340
in the end she she popped up on the drum

758
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:32,989
one your post yeah she popped up on the

759
00:32:35,649 --> 00:32:34,369
drum and I have to thank her personally

760
00:32:37,479 --> 00:32:35,659
for this because I presume she's

761
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:37,489
listening she said that vaccines cause

762
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:39,929
autism on the drum today

763
00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:42,720
which is just a perfect illustration of

764
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:45,299
how irrelevant and ridiculous her claims

765
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:47,970
are so I'm glad we've got that now on

766
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:50,340
the internets because she hasn't said it

767
00:32:53,659 --> 00:32:51,960
for a few months so it's nice to have

768
00:32:57,859 --> 00:32:53,669
that in black and white now the good

769
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:57,869
thing is if listeners are a bit boggled

770
00:33:03,019 --> 00:33:00,360
as I am because of the sheer volume and

771
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:03,029
links and everything I mean number of

772
00:33:08,419 --> 00:33:04,769
blogs you've done something to help

773
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,429
people like us quickly look at all the

774
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:09,840
information that's right I've tried to

775
00:33:13,879 --> 00:33:12,419
compile all of the reactions and the

776
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:13,889
general happenings and what's been going

777
00:33:19,299 --> 00:33:15,659
on on to a wiki page yeah on my new I

778
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:19,309
drunken wiki you can find that at bit ly

779
00:33:26,239 --> 00:33:23,490
forward slash woodford FF so Woodford

780
00:33:28,580 --> 00:33:26,249
Folk Festival yeah and then that gives

781
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:28,590
links to about 30 or so blogs at the

782
00:33:32,379 --> 00:33:30,299
time and what's do anything for good if

783
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:32,389
they wanted you to google just Google

784
00:33:36,619 --> 00:33:35,100
Dory at Woodford yeah and that should

785
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:36,629
get you the wiki on either the first or

786
00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:38,220
second page story it would put in

787
00:33:42,919 --> 00:33:40,470
drunken mad man that would do that we do

788
00:33:45,019 --> 00:33:42,929
it yeah okay there but yeah I was just

789
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:45,029
looking at that a before we recording

790
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:47,369
and and that's I've never seen such a

791
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,820
list of links relevant to one topic in

792
00:33:54,919 --> 00:33:52,860
such a short amount of time being a

793
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:54,929
fantastic storm has been absolutely

794
00:33:58,460 --> 00:33:56,700
brilliant and keeping up with s been a

795
00:34:00,769 --> 00:33:58,470
little tricky but the wikis and

796
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:00,779
literally thousands of comments right

797
00:34:06,379 --> 00:34:04,710
1500 on the monon miracle yeah a couple

798
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:06,389
hundred on your drum piece that's up to

799
00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:09,480
300 and ready now yeah yeah yeah this is

800
00:34:13,789 --> 00:34:11,730
hundreds thousands millions billions of

801
00:34:16,549 --> 00:34:13,799
comments it's fantastic so the latest

802
00:34:18,619 --> 00:34:16,559
news moves very well so there's lots of

803
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:18,629
significant news but the just in the

804
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:21,000
last few hours the Minister for health

805
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:23,490
in Queensland has chimed in dr. hu well

806
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:26,399
a few people actually Tracy Spicer who I

807
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,659
think we're going to play a clip from

808
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:30,240
her a bit later she asked for comment

809
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:31,530
from Queensland Health because

810
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:33,419
queensland government is actually a

811
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:35,849
major sponsor of this event the people

812
00:34:40,549 --> 00:34:38,010
have been emailing sponsors and one of

813
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,559
those people is the Moreton Bay Council

814
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:42,659
which is the council responsible for the

815
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:45,179
area and also Queensland Health and a

816
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:47,220
couple of days ago questions were asked

817
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:48,720
of the Health Department in Queensland

818
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:51,200
and they issued a statement today so the

819
00:34:55,569 --> 00:34:54,290
minister said that parents should

820
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:55,579
vaccinate themselves and their children

821
00:34:59,710 --> 00:34:57,410
the minister for health said today he

822
00:35:02,140 --> 00:34:59,720
said fringe groups like the misleadingly

823
00:35:03,790 --> 00:35:02,150
named Australian vaccination network are

824
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:03,800
wrong to discourage people from getting

825
00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:06,800
vaccinated I love Woodford Folk Festival

826
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:08,630
I've been numerous times there's great

827
00:35:13,930 --> 00:35:11,470
food music and great folk entertainment

828
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:13,940
fortunately there's enough wonderful

829
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:15,410
things to do at Woodford that patrons

830
00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:17,570
have plenty of alternatives rather than

831
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,190
sitting through the nonsense Meryl Dory

832
00:35:25,089 --> 00:35:22,160
spouts about vaccination dangers mr.

833
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:25,099
Wilson said for the small number of

834
00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:26,810
people who might be entertained by what

835
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:28,550
miss Dorry has to say Woodford Folk

836
00:35:32,589 --> 00:35:30,770
Festival has a place for everyone just

837
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:32,599
don't take her nonsense too seriously

838
00:35:37,329 --> 00:35:35,599
and it goes on a little bit he's just

839
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:37,339
basically then citing that vaccinations

840
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,490
have been very effective so I'm yes she

841
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:42,079
got a bit of a shellacking today from

842
00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:45,050
the question she did she said I'm the

843
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:47,750
pennies drop is enough for the Minister

844
00:35:51,849 --> 00:35:48,800
of Health in Queensland has looked at

845
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:51,859
since it oh oh good very plain speaking

846
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:54,530
in blunt and he's just gone on since my

847
00:35:59,500 --> 00:35:57,410
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah nice it as much

848
00:36:01,809 --> 00:35:59,510
as man and on i was watching the drum on

849
00:36:03,579 --> 00:36:01,819
tuesday night because they covered it a

850
00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:03,589
little bits taken a covenant just in a

851
00:36:08,589 --> 00:36:05,960
very short segment but i was eating my

852
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:08,599
curry and I just heard them say that

853
00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:14,450
she's crazy and she's like one of them

854
00:36:18,970 --> 00:36:17,000
was that the ex labor minister was

855
00:36:21,059 --> 00:36:18,980
saying that it's almost cruel to attack

856
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:21,069
her like this because she's so stupid

857
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:23,930
and then one of the people called her a

858
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:26,450
fraud and I just dropped my fork into my

859
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:28,490
curry and went you can't say that on

860
00:36:34,329 --> 00:36:31,970
national television was true it's a

861
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:34,339
pretty serious thing to say thanks a lot

862
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:35,930
fit to make you drop your first

863
00:36:40,839 --> 00:36:38,569
defamatory if it's not true yeah so and

864
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:40,849
yard that's defamatory anyway it might

865
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:42,650
be cheaper well it is a defensive

866
00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:44,810
country well it all depends once you get

867
00:36:48,849 --> 00:36:46,520
into court and I think the important

868
00:36:50,290 --> 00:36:48,859
thing is the intent and that's for the

869
00:36:51,550 --> 00:36:50,300
judge to the side and that's what you

870
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,560
don't want to spend your ten thousand

871
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:53,359
dollars to turn up about which is gonna

872
00:36:57,309 --> 00:36:55,730
be chest by the way I don't think she's

873
00:36:59,650 --> 00:36:57,319
a fraud I think she really believes it

874
00:37:01,390 --> 00:36:59,660
she's deluded but I don't yeah but it

875
00:37:03,309 --> 00:37:01,400
depends what you define is fraud because

876
00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:03,319
it was taking people's money and spent

877
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:05,480
on something else that she's she I mean

878
00:37:11,859 --> 00:37:10,609
she hasn't okay but that just will play

879
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:11,869
now actually a little clip from

880
00:37:17,170 --> 00:37:14,690
yesterday now we're recording this on

881
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:17,180
it's a thursday here and on Wednesday

882
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,030
yesterday afternoon on radio to UE here

883
00:37:25,450 --> 00:37:22,160
in Sydney Tracy Spicer who's been very

884
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:25,460
strong in her comments about the the

885
00:37:30,670 --> 00:37:27,710
anti-vaccination we read made these

886
00:37:32,890 --> 00:37:30,680
comments let me just line this up are we

887
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,900
talking about this call for juries to be

888
00:37:36,370 --> 00:37:34,880
abolished in Australia but first of all

889
00:37:38,730 --> 00:37:36,380
I just want to follow up on a story we

890
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:38,740
did yesterday about a prominent

891
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:40,970
anti-vaccination campaign of spreading

892
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,550
her lies at a Folk Festival a Folk

893
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:45,680
Festival which is being sponsored and

894
00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:47,210
supported by the Queensland Government

895
00:37:52,839 --> 00:37:50,150
and the moreton bay regional council now

896
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:52,849
the council yesterday said they were

897
00:37:57,220 --> 00:37:54,950
very upset about our story they wouldn't

898
00:37:58,569 --> 00:37:57,230
go on air but they complained on the

899
00:38:00,160 --> 00:37:58,579
phone and they've just issued a press

900
00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:00,170
release saying the council is a

901
00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:01,849
committed supporter of the immunized

902
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:04,460
Australia program we've immunized 13,000

903
00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:05,930
people against a host of preventable

904
00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:08,390
diseases free of charge and the press

905
00:38:13,630 --> 00:38:11,300
release Pru explicitly says the council

906
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:13,640
is not a sponsor of Merrill dori as

907
00:38:19,210 --> 00:38:15,470
claimed on Sydney radio and is not

908
00:38:21,130 --> 00:38:19,220
associated in any way with this festival

909
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:21,140
but I got onto the festival's website

910
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:23,810
and i'm looking at a list of sponsors in

911
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:25,430
front of me and there it is the moreton

912
00:38:30,609 --> 00:38:27,530
bay regional council so all i can say is

913
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,619
liar liar pants on fire yeah we just

914
00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:32,960
don't covered they're all running for

915
00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:35,030
cover they've made a big mistake and

916
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,670
they need to really I think front up and

917
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:39,200
accept that they have well that's right

918
00:38:42,579 --> 00:38:40,790
but what's even worse is the Queensland

919
00:38:44,319 --> 00:38:42,589
Health Department which we called for a

920
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:44,329
comment you know what they said they

921
00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:45,890
said put the put the questions in

922
00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:47,420
writing will get back to you in three or

923
00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:48,920
four days time I thought we lived in a

924
00:38:52,059 --> 00:38:50,780
democracy obviously not we know how

925
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:52,069
competent the Queensland Health

926
00:38:55,780 --> 00:38:53,510
Department is when they can live in

927
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,790
trace how many 16 million dollars that

928
00:38:59,530 --> 00:38:57,920
went missing so you know we take them

929
00:39:01,180 --> 00:38:59,540
with a grain of salt that's right 18

930
00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:01,190
minutes past twelve on to you it's

931
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:02,900
interesting last week I was talking to a

932
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:04,250
senior member of the New South Wales

933
00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:06,930
Police for yeah there we go

934
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:09,990
well done Tracy sponsor and her co-host

935
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:13,230
air through sweetness okay okay can i

936
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:14,970
just--can coming it kind of been good a

937
00:39:18,799 --> 00:39:16,440
bit of a force balance into the

938
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:18,809
discussion I'm just up on the avian

939
00:39:23,809 --> 00:39:20,760
facebook page at the moment and and just

940
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:23,819
recently posted has been two posts one

941
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:26,250
from a lady called net and she says that

942
00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:28,859
big pharma and some funded doctors want

943
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:31,500
to keep patients like zombies don't say

944
00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:34,260
don't ask no for doing that yes how did

945
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:38,150
i spell patients at BAC i.e MTA and

946
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:40,710
that's how he spells me and the person

947
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,260
under her donna has also said what a

948
00:39:48,109 --> 00:39:45,599
laugh if these dangerously ill advised

949
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:48,119
deluded an ignorant pro vaccine brigade

950
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:50,040
errs were so confident they wouldn't

951
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:51,900
care less about the avian speaking out

952
00:39:55,309 --> 00:39:53,640
but of course they're worried once

953
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:55,319
people get the facts and links to more

954
00:39:59,839 --> 00:39:57,720
info to find out about it themselves no

955
00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:59,849
sane person believes in it are they

956
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:01,260
assume she talked about vaccinations

957
00:40:05,660 --> 00:40:03,480
anymore and oh dear there goes all the

958
00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:05,670
money they get from the drug companies

959
00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:09,990
oh my god so what do you what do you do

960
00:40:14,839 --> 00:40:12,150
with your drug money mate I'm big

961
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:14,849
blowers well I usually spend the drug

962
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:19,859
money on drugs and when oh when is the

963
00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:21,089
Australian Government going to make

964
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:23,160
cocaine available in pharmacies like ear

965
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:28,530
candles people want it I'm sure it does

966
00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:30,930
he'll some deaths but you know um people

967
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:34,140
want it I've never seen how menacing

968
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:39,420
thing away yeah well it's good to know

969
00:40:43,579 --> 00:40:41,010
the flying monkeys are still flapping

970
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,589
their wings well um they have a better

971
00:40:46,579 --> 00:40:45,119
than the funniest thing happened this

972
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,589
afternoon though apparently and I

973
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:48,480
haven't see I haven't read it yet but

974
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:52,049
Meryl had time to write a 4600 word blog

975
00:40:57,980 --> 00:40:55,770
post where I think our listeners have

976
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:57,990
probably seen this but if you google

977
00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:00,780
head desk gif so they've I'm familiar

978
00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:02,790
with that head desk if we're the guys

979
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:04,859
just not normally typing and then just

980
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:08,010
ends up desk I mean it must have been

981
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:10,049
just a friendly of keyboard tapping

982
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:12,660
because you know i was editing an

983
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,940
article today that i wrote and it was 17

984
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:17,040
pages double-spaced in word and it was

985
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:18,930
only four thousand one hundred words

986
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:21,839
what's our epic helmet did Meryl her

987
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:25,200
about 4,600 according to Ken MacLeod

988
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:28,890
yeah yeah that's like 20 pages of double

989
00:41:32,180 --> 00:41:30,780
spaced well she can do 90 words per

990
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:32,190
minute with one hand with a baby on

991
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:34,290
breasts as i was just watching point

992
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:36,990
right that's more words and in mr.

993
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,200
chicken goes to paris and i read that

994
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:42,960
book all the way through this is mr.

995
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:45,210
chicken goes to Paris place it is like

996
00:41:49,339 --> 00:41:46,770
it's something that you've got Tom

997
00:41:51,799 --> 00:41:49,349
Waterhouse five catch-22 mr. chicken

998
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:51,809
goes to Paris in that order with some

999
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:53,609
Shakespeare crap i certainly I certainly

1000
00:42:00,200 --> 00:41:57,180
know slaughterhouse five and then motley

1001
00:42:01,579 --> 00:42:00,210
Hobbs and a Fiona the pig big day as

1002
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:01,589
well that's one of other books which is

1003
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:03,780
fantastic but Mr chicken that is the one

1004
00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:06,329
and there is a part of the ghost of this

1005
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,369
time what is it when there's some sort

1006
00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:10,079
of there's a logical fallacy in mr.

1007
00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:13,140
chicken go to Paris um I'd like to point

1008
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:15,030
it out you don't say yeah there's also

1009
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:16,730
an argument from authority as well

1010
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,770
basically mr. chicken arrives in a jet

1011
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:22,619
because he's a big chicken comes to but

1012
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:24,690
when he leaves he's too big to fit into

1013
00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:25,890
the jet and has to be strapped to the

1014
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:28,950
top of the jet where's that happy to in

1015
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,510
physics want a ladder if he was able to

1016
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:32,400
get in the jet to arrive in Paris and

1017
00:42:35,299 --> 00:42:33,930
he's the same size why do they have to

1018
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:35,309
strap him to the top of the jet when he

1019
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:38,910
left smaller jet oh god I cool it on the

1020
00:42:41,809 --> 00:42:40,020
way back that's right we'll look

1021
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,819
straight it i hope to meet Lee Hobbes an

1022
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:44,400
Arthur it's known as the is the quantum

1023
00:42:49,579 --> 00:42:47,790
quandary of mr. chicken can I bring

1024
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:49,589
something up that's back on topic

1025
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:53,700
slightly well if you know the big I was

1026
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:55,079
going to ask everyone for their opinion

1027
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:57,540
about this because it's right because

1028
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,010
it's basically this whole thing with

1029
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:00,720
Meryl started just as a grassroots thing

1030
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:02,730
that s alien kicked off and now it's

1031
00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:05,339
become mainstream media but there was

1032
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:08,270
some criticism from some people in the

1033
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:10,650
vaccination arena that were saying no

1034
00:43:14,839 --> 00:43:12,990
don't do it because by exposing her

1035
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:14,849
you're simply giving her a bigger

1036
00:43:17,539 --> 00:43:16,530
audience and therefore people more

1037
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:17,549
people will learn about it information

1038
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:19,290
so just let's just go slowly slowly

1039
00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:22,109
catchy monkey and straight so anything

1040
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:24,390
I was just going to ask everyone for

1041
00:43:29,539 --> 00:43:27,480
their opinion on that because some guys

1042
00:43:31,579 --> 00:43:29,549
I've said this before that I think we're

1043
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:31,589
doing the right thing or as avian and

1044
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:33,690
all the people we've got the Minister

1045
00:43:37,819 --> 00:43:36,450
for health and I say we as in

1046
00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:37,829
collectively you know all the people

1047
00:43:43,249 --> 00:43:40,470
herp derp being around this I heard that

1048
00:43:45,769 --> 00:43:43,259
actually not hoped I see others hope

1049
00:43:48,499 --> 00:43:45,779
dope no and then I found out it was not

1050
00:43:49,789 --> 00:43:48,509
lost already we we've got the minister's

1051
00:43:52,489 --> 00:43:49,799
health for Queensland putting out a

1052
00:43:53,989 --> 00:43:52,499
statement now having lots and lots and

1053
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:53,999
lots of press are going to pick that up

1054
00:43:58,549 --> 00:43:56,099
that's really powerful stuff it really

1055
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:58,559
isn't saying the minister for health in

1056
00:44:02,180 --> 00:44:00,599
this state has said this woman should

1057
00:44:04,099 --> 00:44:02,190
not be listened to that's what I think

1058
00:44:06,739 --> 00:44:04,109
that's worth it I really do that rich I

1059
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:06,749
just have to say that if you were of the

1060
00:44:09,529 --> 00:44:08,220
opinion that big pharma and there were

1061
00:44:11,029 --> 00:44:09,539
certain people in the pocket of big

1062
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,039
pharma the health minister would be

1063
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:12,480
number one on that list because who is

1064
00:44:16,759 --> 00:44:14,940
the guy who makes people vaccinate their

1065
00:44:18,859 --> 00:44:16,769
babies it's a health minister who's got

1066
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,869
the most again so on now but I'll tell

1067
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:21,119
you something that the problem is that

1068
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:23,970
that assumes that we are talking to the

1069
00:44:28,249 --> 00:44:26,130
true believers and we're not we're

1070
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:28,259
talking to reasonable people who are not

1071
00:44:32,539 --> 00:44:30,180
already convinced that what Meryl says

1072
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:32,549
is gospel that is that is correct so

1073
00:44:36,999 --> 00:44:35,339
those who already believe that the you

1074
00:44:40,249 --> 00:44:37,009
know the minister is in the hair in the

1075
00:44:42,019 --> 00:44:40,259
pocket bit of Big Pharma but we're not

1076
00:44:45,259 --> 00:44:42,029
really talking to them and we can't

1077
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:45,269
convince them anyway yeah I I don't

1078
00:44:49,779 --> 00:44:46,680
think that we should shy away from

1079
00:44:53,299 --> 00:44:49,789
confrontation or from publicity because

1080
00:44:55,009 --> 00:44:53,309
the problem is that saying shy away from

1081
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:55,019
confrontation and all from publicity

1082
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:57,210
from providing her publicity assumes

1083
00:45:01,489 --> 00:44:58,650
that she doesn't get the publicity

1084
00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:01,499
otherwise but that's not true you know

1085
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:03,150
this is big festival she's on though

1086
00:45:09,229 --> 00:45:07,049
their brochure as a leading magazine

1087
00:45:11,779 --> 00:45:09,239
expert she's going to be heard by lots

1088
00:45:13,579 --> 00:45:11,789
of people there regardless even if we

1089
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,589
shut up and all in a way she'd be heard

1090
00:45:16,999 --> 00:45:15,599
by lots of people and if we make a big

1091
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:17,009
fuss if she's still going to be heard by

1092
00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:19,369
lots of people by 18 festival had

1093
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:21,670
130,000 people go through the gate

1094
00:45:24,539 --> 00:45:23,049
yeah so that's one people know they

1095
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:24,549
won't all fit in the tent for Merrill to

1096
00:45:31,140 --> 00:45:28,569
talk to ya their potential 5006 night

1097
00:45:32,549 --> 00:45:31,150
some festival it's a huge event I heard

1098
00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:32,559
somewhere I haven't confirmed is that

1099
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:34,540
there's a homeopathic first aid tent it

1100
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:36,130
sounds like a joke surely and can't

1101
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:38,049
bring that up can I bring up what I said

1102
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,089
surely something happens to merrill when

1103
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,920
I heard about the homeopathic first aid

1104
00:45:46,260 --> 00:45:43,359
tent the first thing I thought was

1105
00:45:48,510 --> 00:45:46,270
wouldn't it be ironic if this is the

1106
00:45:50,849 --> 00:45:48,520
correct use of the word irony if next to

1107
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:50,859
the first aid kit tent there was a tent

1108
00:45:55,530 --> 00:45:53,920
selling bottled water it would be like

1109
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:55,540
10,000 spoons when all your needs in

1110
00:45:59,460 --> 00:45:57,250
life well yeah it'll be like world

1111
00:46:01,470 --> 00:45:59,470
because I go the homeopathic tent or do

1112
00:46:03,539 --> 00:46:01,480
I get the chilled homeopathic in the

1113
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:03,549
bottle warrior which would Jeffrey them

1114
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:06,250
from your premium i'm yeah i mean III

1115
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:09,670
agree with with your sentiments iran but

1116
00:46:13,470 --> 00:46:11,290
i just wanted to bring that up because i

1117
00:46:15,870 --> 00:46:13,480
think what people tend to forget is in

1118
00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:15,880
the last twenty eight months things have

1119
00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:18,760
changed dramatically in this country

1120
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:21,940
with respect to the anti-vaxxers now 28

1121
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:23,290
months ago she would have been called

1122
00:46:27,870 --> 00:46:24,900
upon to go on national television

1123
00:46:29,549 --> 00:46:27,880
regularly as an expert and she was as

1124
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:29,559
she would sit alongside the likes of

1125
00:46:35,339 --> 00:46:32,460
Professor Bowie professor john dwyer

1126
00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:35,349
epidemiologists pediatricians yeah and

1127
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:37,180
be given the same platform she's not

1128
00:46:43,170 --> 00:46:40,210
anymore she was not referred to as anti

1129
00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:43,180
vax 28 months ago yes now every single

1130
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:45,390
article refers to her as

1131
00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:47,770
anti-vaccination astore anti-vaccine

1132
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:49,900
lobbyist yes that's because of the work

1133
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:52,690
that we've done in the last can made a

1134
00:46:57,089 --> 00:46:55,089
list on the sov and facebook page of the

1135
00:46:58,980 --> 00:46:57,099
phrases that people have used over the

1136
00:47:01,920 --> 00:46:58,990
last week to refer to her they were like

1137
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:01,930
fruit loop crazy but the media up fraud

1138
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:05,140
yeah there may be a fraud all kinds of

1139
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:06,970
stuff that you'd never hear them say and

1140
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:08,770
you know like Tracy Spicer called her

1141
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:11,920
alive said she lies um actually she said

1142
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:15,130
I wrote it down because my spreading her

1143
00:47:20,849 --> 00:47:16,930
lies yeah it is what she said yeah um

1144
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:20,859
yeah um that's a the the situation has

1145
00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:23,680
changed dramatically and the other

1146
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:25,180
important thing to remember is that the

1147
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:27,970
false balance is gone and largely the

1148
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:29,050
snow small

1149
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:31,450
I mean there's people bleating about

1150
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:33,160
free speech and is it really isn't a

1151
00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:35,050
free school this is a couple of items

1152
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:36,700
aren't wanting to bring up actually

1153
00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:39,420
which it should involve of this this now

1154
00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:43,420
she has said and I don't know which blog

1155
00:47:47,460 --> 00:47:45,460
she wrote it on all where if it was a

1156
00:47:49,770 --> 00:47:47,470
comments or something she's raised the

1157
00:47:54,750 --> 00:47:49,780
old chestnut of she's had to hire a

1158
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:54,760
security guard oh yes sorry that's not

1159
00:48:00,000 --> 00:47:57,430
our own security guards woodford well

1160
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:00,010
this quite a beauty are they ready at

1161
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:01,810
Woodford hope you get those hot ones at

1162
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:04,690
Colonel Gaddafi had they were cool oh

1163
00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:06,970
yeah I'm on your bed dinner that they

1164
00:48:10,170 --> 00:48:08,500
weren't that good in the end still but

1165
00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:10,180
this is this is now she's done this

1166
00:48:15,330 --> 00:48:12,670
before she said I'll this is her playing

1167
00:48:16,620 --> 00:48:15,340
the little the cart that the marta card

1168
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:16,630
isn't it you know these little people

1169
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:19,390
and there was the library of western

1170
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:21,190
australia the last time the skeptics I'm

1171
00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:23,710
& Co was so evil that they've actually

1172
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:26,230
we have to hire security guard unless

1173
00:48:31,410 --> 00:48:29,170
they attack me or what well she's

1174
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,420
playing the the free speech card and on

1175
00:48:34,590 --> 00:48:33,280
the Aryan side there and even the health

1176
00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:34,600
minister said that he had the defender

1177
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:36,340
right just because you say it's not

1178
00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:38,050
about perfect it's not an interval

1179
00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:39,670
privilege speech she's been given a

1180
00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:41,350
platform she can come stand on a soap

1181
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:42,820
box outside the festival if she wants

1182
00:48:46,830 --> 00:48:44,950
and rent to a heart's content it's about

1183
00:48:48,810 --> 00:48:46,840
being given the domain is you with a

1184
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:48,820
microphone and an audience and all of

1185
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,290
this promotion that's that's the big

1186
00:48:55,710 --> 00:48:53,200
problem I don't want to actually shut up

1187
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:55,720
cuz she's quite she's got a blog

1188
00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:57,250
Facebook page and Twitter account this

1189
00:49:01,710 --> 00:48:59,170
is not a threat on her free speech but

1190
00:49:03,390 --> 00:49:01,720
where do this in woodford draw the line

1191
00:49:05,070 --> 00:49:03,400
would they have a white supremacist

1192
00:49:06,270 --> 00:49:05,080
there the talkable this is the point

1193
00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:06,280
that one of my friends made he said if

1194
00:49:10,350 --> 00:49:07,780
you replace any of the arguments about

1195
00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:10,360
vaccination with safe sex do you think

1196
00:49:13,830 --> 00:49:11,470
they'd let someone stand up there and

1197
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:13,840
say don't use condoms share needles it's

1198
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:17,650
my opinion no no seat belts of the

1199
00:49:22,110 --> 00:49:19,510
speaking of safe sex story doesn't think

1200
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:22,120
aids exists yeah that's true she's an

1201
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:25,450
hiv/aids denier google that she's on on

1202
00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:27,610
this and let's rock you sorry man i

1203
00:49:31,890 --> 00:49:29,740
don't wanna bring up a point where you

1204
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:31,900
mentioned it earlier there and regular

1205
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:34,630
non media people you said like she was

1206
00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:37,570
the go-to person many months back and

1207
00:49:40,650 --> 00:49:39,880
the false balance has been removed to a

1208
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,660
large extent

1209
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:43,119
that is a massive change like just

1210
00:49:45,809 --> 00:49:44,650
normally if you're in a radio station in

1211
00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:45,819
you're doing a story you're usually

1212
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:47,470
looking in the media for the other side

1213
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:49,270
or something a bit like someone else to

1214
00:49:53,279 --> 00:49:51,910
balance it and normally she might have

1215
00:49:55,770 --> 00:49:53,289
been a person the fact that she's been

1216
00:49:58,319 --> 00:49:55,780
removed and the concept that you have to

1217
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,329
balance vaccinations to being removed if

1218
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:00,640
that's a major nerve on shift you use a

1219
00:50:05,579 --> 00:50:03,250
word I don't understand let's put out

1220
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:05,589
para diggin ok a rather good well what's

1221
00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:07,510
interesting on the last episode of the

1222
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:09,220
skeptic cernium I recall with our

1223
00:50:15,210 --> 00:50:12,520
interview with dr. Rob Morrison which

1224
00:50:17,609 --> 00:50:15,220
was enjoyed dinner he made that point

1225
00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:17,619
that you know the media have to find

1226
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,780
someone and they could have a Nobel

1227
00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:22,000
winning physicist on one side and some

1228
00:50:25,529 --> 00:50:24,220
loony on the other because the loony has

1229
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:25,539
the other point of view and they give

1230
00:50:29,609 --> 00:50:27,849
them equal time mmm yeah and that's a

1231
00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:29,619
major shift and that in itself if you

1232
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,780
only had achieved that that is a lot on

1233
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:34,240
time I agree with that and I don't think

1234
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:36,250
that should be underestimated and so

1235
00:50:38,789 --> 00:50:37,569
this is the thing when there are the pit

1236
00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:38,799
there's a few people around sort of

1237
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:40,150
agitating at the moment saying oh you

1238
00:50:43,650 --> 00:50:41,770
guys should shut up or you shouldn't do

1239
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:43,660
it but you've got to consider that

1240
00:50:47,279 --> 00:50:45,730
that's just what I just listed what

1241
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,289
you've started is such an important

1242
00:50:50,579 --> 00:50:49,359
thing yeah and it has been such a big

1243
00:50:52,410 --> 00:50:50,589
achievement and it's all been done

1244
00:50:53,549 --> 00:50:52,420
through grassroots campaign and and

1245
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,559
we're also bringing to the attention

1246
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,599
maybe the minister for health who I know

1247
00:50:59,370 --> 00:50:58,000
is a regular listen to the skeptics well

1248
00:51:00,809 --> 00:50:59,380
I got it I got a tweet from the

1249
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:00,819
Queensland Premier today so I'm pretty

1250
00:51:12,180 --> 00:51:10,349
umpteen there's a booty call um up now

1251
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:12,190
I'm gonna go browse okay for the moment

1252
00:51:17,730 --> 00:51:15,490
I think if you wanna go I've just been

1253
00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:17,740
driving its rejoice over and that's not

1254
00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:19,420
to be right go to the bottom I may know

1255
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:21,160
goes to the bow what I'm gonna bring up

1256
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:24,130
now they're making rude noises as they

1257
00:51:32,250 --> 00:51:28,690
leave the book and that Meryl is

1258
00:51:34,529 --> 00:51:32,260
probably supports not written by her the

1259
00:51:36,289 --> 00:51:34,539
measles book what's that called do you

1260
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:36,299
have a you know that that reference are

1261
00:51:41,279 --> 00:51:39,609
marvelous measles Melanie's marvelous me

1262
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:41,289
out of Melissa's or something like

1263
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:43,390
member i think it's melamine so this is

1264
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:45,430
a deafening messenger right then this is

1265
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:49,089
a book for children said explaining why

1266
00:51:53,609 --> 00:51:51,970
vaccines that work and why measles are

1267
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:53,619
and how to embrace your infectious

1268
00:51:58,050 --> 00:51:55,930
disease so I was thinking before we

1269
00:52:02,120 --> 00:51:58,060
should come up with some titles for

1270
00:52:05,099 --> 00:52:02,130
ourselves like Sally's superb syphilis

1271
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:05,109
Ravi Dorothy's delightful diphtheria

1272
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:08,260
would be one that would probably be

1273
00:52:11,099 --> 00:52:09,369
support you see I'm not sure about

1274
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:11,109
syphilis but if there would be supported

1275
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,980
how about Penelope's what Rome's what's

1276
00:52:21,870 --> 00:52:16,720
with the P word something potentially

1277
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:21,880
yes pearl whatever I'm insistent fitness

1278
00:52:26,609 --> 00:52:24,970
persistent and I'm in a comment on one

1279
00:52:29,099 --> 00:52:26,619
blog and there are so many I've lost

1280
00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:29,109
lost track of which one it was I said

1281
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:31,150
this is these are the people who

1282
00:52:39,930 --> 00:52:35,440
advocate your children getting a deadly

1283
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:39,940
infectious disease and fighting said

1284
00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:43,510
diseases also with homeopathy magic

1285
00:52:48,420 --> 00:52:46,150
sugar cocoa magic sugar water yeah now I

1286
00:52:50,070 --> 00:52:48,430
hope a lot of people now realize that

1287
00:52:52,109 --> 00:52:50,080
this is part of the reason why we

1288
00:52:53,490 --> 00:52:52,119
shouldn't stop be quiet just hope they

1289
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:53,500
all go away cuz they're not going to go

1290
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:55,510
away well actually I think also it's

1291
00:53:00,839 --> 00:52:57,490
important to note is that a lot of the

1292
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:00,849
coverage has been in places that is a

1293
00:53:05,609 --> 00:53:02,770
good target for the demographic we're

1294
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:05,619
after in particular Mamma Mia it's the

1295
00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:07,800
perfect place with wonderful automation

1296
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:11,220
I've noticed two on my drum piece that

1297
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:13,330
probably ninety nine percent of the

1298
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,570
comments are outraged that she's going

1299
00:53:21,810 --> 00:53:19,119
to be there there's there was to today

1300
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:21,820
saying who do you work for Rachel I saw

1301
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:23,710
that you know you know there's a thing

1302
00:53:30,030 --> 00:53:28,450
called google use it nobody's you know

1303
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:30,040
the inference of I'm a big pharma sure

1304
00:53:34,859 --> 00:53:32,290
but but I think the audience that I've

1305
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:34,869
seen at least commenting on a lot of the

1306
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:37,359
articles have been either new to their

1307
00:53:43,290 --> 00:53:39,730
to her therefore saying how can this

1308
00:53:44,609 --> 00:53:43,300
happen it's disgusting all parents you

1309
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:44,619
know who the ones that are going to be

1310
00:53:48,089 --> 00:53:46,510
most affected by her misinformation yeah

1311
00:53:50,099 --> 00:53:48,099
so and because you've got quite a lot of

1312
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:50,109
blanket we have got blanket country

1313
00:53:54,089 --> 00:53:51,670
we've got coverage in all of all sorts

1314
00:53:57,210 --> 00:53:54,099
of places I think outside I think we've

1315
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:57,220
done we've done very well and we've put

1316
00:54:00,060 --> 00:53:58,570
the fight right up there and we've made

1317
00:54:00,660 --> 00:54:00,070
a big fuss and I think it's the right

1318
00:54:04,819 --> 00:54:00,670
thing too

1319
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:04,829
oh I think so now run you had some

1320
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:09,010
another topic yeah yes so so this so

1321
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:11,680
this this relates to the topic that Rob

1322
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,150
Morrison spoke to you about last week

1323
00:54:19,859 --> 00:54:15,760
rob was a closing Natori to a letter

1324
00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:19,869
sent by 34 academics to university of

1325
00:54:24,780 --> 00:54:22,150
central Central Queensland with regards

1326
00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:24,790
to the chiropractic program that they're

1327
00:54:31,410 --> 00:54:27,190
starting in twenty twelve which is only

1328
00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:31,420
a few weeks away yes and John Guare who

1329
00:54:36,930 --> 00:54:33,670
professor john dwyer a oh who is was

1330
00:54:41,789 --> 00:54:36,940
also a signatory to that letter wrote a

1331
00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:41,799
in article on the conversation and he

1332
00:54:45,569 --> 00:54:43,030
was a very good article that basically

1333
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:45,579
described why quackery has no place in

1334
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,770
universities and specifically talking

1335
00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:49,359
about chiropractic of course and talking

1336
00:54:53,579 --> 00:54:52,150
about the letter but then conversation

1337
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,589
started and he was good because that's

1338
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,640
what he that's why it's called the

1339
00:54:59,130 --> 00:54:56,319
conversation I suppose yes but he went

1340
00:55:02,400 --> 00:54:59,140
on for about it's now about eight or

1341
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:02,410
nine days and its many many pages long I

1342
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:03,849
actually wanted to print it but he's

1343
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:07,450
just too long Wow but Philip ever all

1344
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:09,369
whose Professor Philip Barbour I have to

1345
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:11,710
call him who was previously the head of

1346
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,089
the chiropractic program at RMIT and

1347
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:17,440
with and I must remind you that they

1348
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,460
have a PDF pediatric clinic there

1349
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:22,720
chiropractic pediatric clinic every 18

1350
00:55:26,670 --> 00:55:24,609
eights and the one bed spoon because of

1351
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:26,680
that they also have an energy medicine

1352
00:55:32,579 --> 00:55:28,930
the program at may Almighty not exactly

1353
00:55:35,609 --> 00:55:32,589
a an honorable place to be but Philip

1354
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:35,619
liberal now heads that program at the CQ

1355
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:38,890
you and he got involved and initially

1356
00:55:43,319 --> 00:55:41,140
said that this was an ad hominem attack

1357
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:43,329
we did was was clearly not but not when

1358
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:46,329
rach and I got involved and said how is

1359
00:55:52,020 --> 00:55:49,510
a homonym we you know we criticized the

1360
00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:52,030
program and he turns out that he said

1361
00:55:58,170 --> 00:55:54,700
what he meant by that it took a while to

1362
00:56:01,559 --> 00:55:58,180
understand what what he meant but what

1363
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:01,569
he put came out of him about a certain

1364
00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:05,170
point was that he believed that we were

1365
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:07,630
only criticizing the program not based

1366
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,890
on the program but based on the fact

1367
00:56:13,549 --> 00:56:10,319
that he heads it

1368
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:13,559
no he's giving it he's giving himself a

1369
00:56:19,759 --> 00:56:16,680
bit too much respect more than we do I

1370
00:56:21,319 --> 00:56:19,769
think is the reality is it sit there is

1371
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:21,329
an element of truth to it in the sense

1372
00:56:24,739 --> 00:56:23,249
that we know what his beliefs are but he

1373
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:24,749
also made specific statements he also

1374
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:27,209
said some vegetable subluxation

1375
00:56:30,949 --> 00:56:29,249
comebacks will be taught at this program

1376
00:56:33,499 --> 00:56:30,959
because it is an emerging science

1377
00:56:35,539 --> 00:56:33,509
emerging theory yeah exciting really

1378
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:35,549
also something sorry with reciting with

1379
00:56:40,699 --> 00:56:37,140
exciting from the magical cupboard I

1380
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:40,709
don't know any well it's so so it's

1381
00:56:44,449 --> 00:56:42,690
based on that it's based on that it's

1382
00:56:48,430 --> 00:56:44,459
based on the fact that chiropractic in

1383
00:56:50,329 --> 00:56:48,440
general has no firm evidential basis I

1384
00:56:53,449 --> 00:56:50,339
actually found out something interesting

1385
00:56:57,229 --> 00:56:53,459
this week because David Cone up from the

1386
00:57:00,229 --> 00:56:57,239
University of there's 2 2day because one

1387
00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:00,239
in Australia one in the UK it's the

1388
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:02,430
pharmacy professor from the UK he got

1389
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:04,380
involved as well and he he went through

1390
00:57:08,539 --> 00:57:06,839
a lot of the literature in that debate

1391
00:57:10,009 --> 00:57:08,549
on the conversation one of the things he

1392
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:10,019
said was that even that thing that we

1393
00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:12,420
often say our I say it myself that there

1394
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:15,180
is some evidence that that it's that

1395
00:57:19,999 --> 00:57:17,849
there is some benefit for chiropractic

1396
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,009
from chiropractic to lower back pain

1397
00:57:25,789 --> 00:57:22,079
turns out that even that is not true

1398
00:57:27,799 --> 00:57:25,799
really yes the cochrane review that that

1399
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:27,809
everybody sides doesn't actually say it

1400
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:32,729
says there isn't a sight isn't evidence

1401
00:57:36,259 --> 00:57:34,049
is sufficient evidence to show that

1402
00:57:37,579 --> 00:57:36,269
that's true so there's no evidence of

1403
00:57:39,529 --> 00:57:37,589
efficacy at all there is some evidence

1404
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:39,539
of potential harm and it is very small

1405
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:41,249
we know that it's not it's not like you

1406
00:57:44,329 --> 00:57:42,630
go to the carpenter you and likely to

1407
00:57:45,229 --> 00:57:44,339
die it's very small the thing is you

1408
00:57:47,809 --> 00:57:45,239
always have to weigh the benefits

1409
00:57:49,699 --> 00:57:47,819
against the the risks and if there is

1410
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:49,709
that if there no benefits then every

1411
00:57:54,019 --> 00:57:52,650
risk is too too much so the problem is

1412
00:57:57,559 --> 00:57:54,029
that it's a chiropractic problem to

1413
00:58:01,999 --> 00:57:57,569
begin with and then it it focuses rather

1414
00:58:03,969 --> 00:58:02,009
than on just musculoskeletal problems as

1415
00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:03,979
we understand them from from

1416
00:58:11,860 --> 00:58:07,360
physiotherapy and from

1417
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:11,870
I'll see apathy don't get started I just

1418
00:58:21,550 --> 00:58:15,920
we're gonna bone doctors um osteo oh no

1419
00:58:23,860 --> 00:58:21,560
no no no come on own doctors yeah Walter

1420
00:58:27,220 --> 00:58:23,870
people to the orthopedic surgeon as we

1421
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:27,230
know as so we all know we know that we

1422
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:28,160
know that we know about these things

1423
00:58:32,350 --> 00:58:29,930
from from orthopedic surgeons from

1424
00:58:34,060 --> 00:58:32,360
physiotherapists we know about the

1425
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,070
benefits that can be to a

1426
00:58:38,830 --> 00:58:37,280
musculoskeletal manipulation but it's

1427
00:58:40,540 --> 00:58:38,840
got nothing to do with other claims of

1428
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:40,550
chiropractic that they'll be long beyond

1429
00:58:45,010 --> 00:58:43,250
beyond the musculoskeletal so it's a

1430
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:45,020
program that is really not supported by

1431
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:47,330
evidence and somebody sent me today well

1432
00:58:51,490 --> 00:58:49,130
this has been going on and on and on and

1433
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:51,500
on and he I said to a certain point just

1434
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:52,850
just present the evidence you're making

1435
00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:54,530
this whole thing very easy just declare

1436
00:59:00,580 --> 00:58:57,380
that subluxation won't be told and send

1437
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,590
us a list of references that show that

1438
00:59:04,210 --> 00:59:02,480
chiropractic works of course you

1439
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:04,220
wouldn't do it and I kept teasing it a

1440
00:59:07,810 --> 00:59:06,050
little bit saying like sir but I don't

1441
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,820
think you will and we all know why and

1442
00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:10,160
it's just that every area every email

1443
00:59:13,930 --> 00:59:12,230
every message I put on there for the

1444
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:13,940
past few days ended with you won't do

1445
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:17,210
this and we all know and of course he

1446
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:20,510
hasn't been doing it and we all know so

1447
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:22,970
it's it's really been but he thinks he

1448
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:24,530
got you today yeah he thinks he got me

1449
00:59:29,530 --> 00:59:27,050
here and I know yeah cuz he's because

1450
00:59:31,810 --> 00:59:29,540
you said send us all the information

1451
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:31,820
about the course work and then then

1452
00:59:35,830 --> 00:59:32,930
we'll all know what it's going to be

1453
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:35,840
about he said aha therefore you've just

1454
00:59:38,620 --> 00:59:37,280
admitted you don't know what's going to

1455
00:59:41,590 --> 00:59:38,630
be in the course therefore you can't

1456
00:59:43,210 --> 00:59:41,600
criticize me so haha what else is it not

1457
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:43,220
because he's made very specific

1458
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:45,050
statements about what's going to be

1459
00:59:49,630 --> 00:59:47,270
taught yeah there's another guy there a

1460
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:49,640
chiropractor obviously I think what

1461
00:59:54,790 --> 00:59:51,110
probably Jerry's prom he's definitely

1462
00:59:56,590 --> 00:59:54,800
supporter sent a message that actually

1463
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:56,600
gave me the link to the RMIT program and

1464
00:59:59,560 --> 00:59:57,920
there's a lot of good things in the RMIT

1465
01:00:02,380 --> 00:59:59,570
/ I'm excellent stuff in fact you know

1466
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,390
they learn a lot about about biology and

1467
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:04,400
physiology and but I knew that already

1468
01:00:07,330 --> 01:00:05,570
I've seen I've actually seen that

1469
01:00:08,890 --> 01:00:07,340
program in the past this was not new to

1470
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:08,900
me the thing is they also teach

1471
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:12,110
civilizations as a as a scientific

1472
01:00:16,660 --> 01:00:14,630
theory and that's not supported in in

1473
01:00:18,279 --> 01:00:16,670
any case chiropractic is not supported

1474
01:00:20,620 --> 01:00:18,289
by evidence the thing is

1475
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:20,630
you can't teach something like that as a

1476
01:00:24,579 --> 01:00:22,249
science program if it's not so flawed as

1477
01:00:26,709 --> 01:00:24,589
I evidence but this because he's been

1478
01:00:28,029 --> 01:00:26,719
he's been behaving really bizarrely for

1479
01:00:30,939 --> 01:00:28,039
someone who's supposed to be a professor

1480
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:30,949
and head of the other course I mean he

1481
01:00:34,809 --> 01:00:33,049
called me arrogant and bias because I

1482
01:00:38,409 --> 01:00:34,819
said the children died on the vaccine

1483
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:38,419
preventable diseases because I accused

1484
01:00:41,859 --> 01:00:40,249
him of being an anti back sir well I

1485
01:00:43,630 --> 01:00:41,869
said you're anti vax colors are

1486
01:00:45,999 --> 01:00:43,640
beginning to show and he went mental he

1487
01:00:48,429 --> 01:00:46,009
didn't like that um he didn't refute

1488
01:00:50,829 --> 01:00:48,439
that either by the way he just said I've

1489
01:00:53,409 --> 01:00:50,839
had all my vaccinations on my car that's

1490
01:00:54,849 --> 01:00:53,419
called an Ian on nante next guys give a

1491
01:00:59,499 --> 01:00:54,859
bit of advice to the anti-vaccination

1492
01:01:01,749 --> 01:00:59,509
movement here they just know i think the

1493
01:01:03,219 --> 01:01:01,759
finger sister circles about okay well

1494
01:01:04,449 --> 01:01:03,229
actually no i won't x because i actually

1495
01:01:06,370 --> 01:01:04,459
have a very good point in a way they

1496
01:01:09,939 --> 01:01:06,380
could do things a lot better but I'm not

1497
01:01:13,299 --> 01:01:09,949
gonna tell them tell us and we'll just

1498
01:01:15,819 --> 01:01:13,309
edit out all may not oh well you can

1499
01:01:18,339 --> 01:01:15,829
tell them later anyway so I just back to

1500
01:01:20,650 --> 01:01:18,349
Philip ever all for a second he made

1501
01:01:23,859 --> 01:01:20,660
some really odd arguments there in fact

1502
01:01:25,989 --> 01:01:23,869
David Cone kept saying publicly said

1503
01:01:27,909 --> 01:01:25,999
just did Philip every time you write

1504
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:27,919
something you dig yourself deeper into

1505
01:01:33,219 --> 01:01:30,079
the hole he was just ridiculous he he

1506
01:01:35,709 --> 01:01:33,229
made he made a statement about no I I

1507
01:01:38,229 --> 01:01:35,719
kept insisting on proper trials I said

1508
01:01:39,579 --> 01:01:38,239
don't send me those old todd todd all

1509
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:39,589
things that are you know case control

1510
01:01:43,689 --> 01:01:42,319
studies and you know studies of 12

1511
01:01:45,399 --> 01:01:43,699
people and stuff like that you know if

1512
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,409
you're going to say there's evidence for

1513
01:01:51,609 --> 01:01:47,359
the efficacy of chiropractic you'll have

1514
01:01:53,709 --> 01:01:51,619
to show a body of evidence and any kemp

1515
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:53,719
going back to it seems that you think

1516
01:01:58,299 --> 01:01:55,849
that randomized control trials are the

1517
01:02:00,249 --> 01:01:58,309
best way to provide evidence and there

1518
01:02:03,339 --> 01:02:00,259
was somebody else provided a list of

1519
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:03,349
links that show that not there's lots of

1520
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:05,150
places in science and medicine when

1521
01:02:09,189 --> 01:02:07,729
there are cities aren't used which is

1522
01:02:12,219 --> 01:02:09,199
true but they aren't used when it's

1523
01:02:14,769 --> 01:02:12,229
either impractical or unethical the econ

1524
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:14,779
say I mean you can't do randomized

1525
01:02:19,989 --> 01:02:17,689
control trials on you know on cancer

1526
01:02:21,759 --> 01:02:19,999
every time you like when you do that you

1527
01:02:23,979 --> 01:02:21,769
don't actually it's not

1528
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:23,989
placebo-controlled it you know you give

1529
01:02:30,210 --> 01:02:25,849
it the best treatment available against

1530
01:02:32,339 --> 01:02:30,220
some new drug so of course

1531
01:02:34,980 --> 01:02:32,349
he could the countrymen door with the

1532
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:34,990
severe fungal infections but he but he

1533
01:02:38,670 --> 01:02:37,119
also he pulled out the parachute thing

1534
01:02:41,780 --> 01:02:38,680
didn't get any pulled out the passion I

1535
01:02:44,540 --> 01:02:41,790
couldn't believe that happen in his

1536
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:44,550
randomized control trials of parachutes

1537
01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:48,910
there for chiropractic works well did

1538
01:02:53,130 --> 01:02:51,040
you know what he said the thing is he

1539
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:53,140
said that when I respond to that saying

1540
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:54,910
that I've seen better from psychic fair

1541
01:02:59,520 --> 01:02:58,210
from fair psychics because like I'd

1542
01:03:01,020 --> 01:02:59,530
never expected to see that from an

1543
01:03:04,410 --> 01:03:01,030
academic at a university even one

1544
01:03:08,609 --> 01:03:04,420
teaching quackery he ought to be

1545
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:08,619
children you really are I the in a good

1546
01:03:12,270 --> 01:03:10,510
but I was actually i was actually I was

1547
01:03:13,470 --> 01:03:12,280
really it's this was the only this is

1548
01:03:15,390 --> 01:03:13,480
was the only time that he actually

1549
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:15,400
astounded me the rest of the time was

1550
01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:16,690
just saying exactly what I expected him

1551
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,180
to say this shocked me I really didn't

1552
01:03:26,490 --> 01:03:21,280
expect something as lame as that yeah

1553
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,500
I've heard they're from an evac service

1554
01:03:33,450 --> 01:03:28,240
is there a variable to control for in

1555
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:33,460
the parachute yes plat or no splat yeah

1556
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:36,720
I but we have we have splats accidental

1557
01:03:41,220 --> 01:03:39,730
they're not randomized I agree well

1558
01:03:44,849 --> 01:03:41,230
actually that an amazing the same they

1559
01:03:46,349 --> 01:03:44,859
are everything is a face position yeah I

1560
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:46,359
just want to reach a couple things

1561
01:03:50,609 --> 01:03:48,250
really quickly yep the other day

1562
01:03:52,349 --> 01:03:50,619
somebody did find a blog post that Merle

1563
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,359
wrote where she said we have to do

1564
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:54,480
randomized double-blind crossover

1565
01:03:59,370 --> 01:03:57,250
controls of vaccines which just makes me

1566
01:04:01,230 --> 01:03:59,380
she said it a few times she said and if

1567
01:04:02,670 --> 01:04:01,240
she was no crossover means obviously

1568
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:02,680
well she doesn't because what do you do

1569
01:04:07,620 --> 01:04:05,650
just say antibodies go away and

1570
01:04:13,950 --> 01:04:07,630
vaccinate how do you unpack tonight

1571
01:04:14,849 --> 01:04:13,960
people you know transplant yeah yeah and

1572
01:04:16,589 --> 01:04:14,859
the other thing I wanted to say is

1573
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:16,599
there's a great article in this month's

1574
01:04:20,220 --> 01:04:18,609
skeptic or this edition of a skeptic

1575
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:20,230
where tim has gone through and done a

1576
01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:22,570
lot of research looking at health funds

1577
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:24,430
in Australian oh yes comparing which

1578
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:26,050
ones offer quackery I got them to post

1579
01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:27,520
just the other day yes I got it today

1580
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:29,470
and practical article though yeah and

1581
01:04:33,150 --> 01:04:31,450
he's done a chart which is fantastic cuz

1582
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:33,160
you look down at Charton he's got like

1583
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:35,050
across the talkies got all the quackery

1584
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and then down the side he's got the

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01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:38,080
health funds and Loretta sent us this I

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01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,030
did she really be lighter sentence it's

1587
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:42,400
fantastic this is the thing that stands

1588
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:43,569
out so

1589
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:46,209
immediately to everyone is the doctors

1590
01:04:51,749 --> 01:04:49,359
health fund yeah nothing nothing but the

1591
01:04:53,609 --> 01:04:51,759
only one that's the only help fund that

1592
01:04:57,299 --> 01:04:53,619
doesn't cover any quacker yes I Cairo

1593
01:04:59,699 --> 01:04:57,309
homeo iridology a lot of all right maybe

1594
01:05:01,769 --> 01:04:59,709
you can guarantee any health fun oh yeah

1595
01:05:03,870 --> 01:05:01,779
I said no no the doctors health fund

1596
01:05:07,049 --> 01:05:03,880
they don't cover any of that that's a

1597
01:05:08,489 --> 01:05:07,059
great article in this quarters skeptic

1598
01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:08,499
magazine that's the skeptic magazine

1599
01:05:12,959 --> 01:05:10,390
from Australian skeptics and you can

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01:05:15,769 --> 01:05:12,969
subscribe online and get it sent to you

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01:05:20,579 --> 01:05:15,779
via PDF or the physical copy by visiting

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01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:20,589
www because Comte you the PDF is only 22

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01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:22,569
dollars a year for four wonderful issues

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01:05:27,449 --> 01:05:26,049
lets her which is that again around do

1605
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:27,459
you mean you actually get the issues

1606
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:30,249
Jason I'm like living would involve

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01:05:35,609 --> 01:05:33,130
living the mood of wisdom now we've only

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01:05:37,979 --> 01:05:35,619
got a moment to go and then times up but

1609
01:05:41,759 --> 01:05:37,989
Maynard may not may not what exciting

1610
01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:41,769
news do you have for skeptic zone I had

1611
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:43,390
a whole list of things here that we're

1612
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:45,130
really not as important as anything you

1613
01:05:49,229 --> 01:05:47,890
guys had to say so let's see do the

1614
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:49,239
bottle what a joke about the festival

1615
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:53,650
you did that one um now jokes now I i

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01:06:01,559 --> 01:05:58,410
yes um hey these are evidence-based joke

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01:06:04,259 --> 01:06:01,569
even if it's only in my own head now

1618
01:06:05,609 --> 01:06:04,269
let's see how we can vote on the what

1619
01:06:06,930 --> 01:06:05,619
you should get people for christmas who

1620
01:06:10,049 --> 01:06:06,940
you should get people for christmas

1621
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:10,059
presents the muppet movie review or we

1622
01:06:14,339 --> 01:06:11,440
can go with the promo of the new show

1623
01:06:16,829 --> 01:06:14,349
that includes a nationally on ABC radio

1624
01:06:20,279 --> 01:06:16,839
Richard Saunders and dr. Rachel Dunlop

1625
01:06:22,650 --> 01:06:20,289
and let's let's go with that yeah okay

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01:06:24,180 --> 01:06:22,660
starting on the 7th of January that's

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01:06:26,699 --> 01:06:24,190
saturday the seventh of january at six

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01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:26,709
pm to six thirty and sunday the eight so

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01:06:30,299 --> 01:06:28,690
it's going to be every gesture in

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01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:30,309
january every saturday and sunday

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01:06:36,059 --> 01:06:32,079
between six and six-thirty there'll be

1632
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:36,069
the dirty disbelievers now basically i'm

1633
01:06:39,870 --> 01:06:37,930
getting you guys on and i'm getting a

1634
01:06:41,819 --> 01:06:39,880
few of my other friends as well i'm

1635
01:06:42,989 --> 01:06:41,829
hoping to involve jvm Leonarda he's got

1636
01:06:44,999 --> 01:06:42,999
a pretty big busy schedule during

1637
01:06:46,439 --> 01:06:45,009
january but like we want to get to you

1638
01:06:47,849 --> 01:06:46,449
know we want to talk about a few of the

1639
01:06:49,769 --> 01:06:47,859
issues and I think you know there's a

1640
01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:49,779
fun way to discuss some of the issues

1641
01:06:52,949 --> 01:06:51,430
you guys talk about we're going to put

1642
01:06:53,799 --> 01:06:52,959
some music in there and we're going to

1643
01:06:56,709 --> 01:06:53,809
have a little bit of

1644
01:06:59,229 --> 01:06:56,719
a robust discussion that's been we're

1645
01:07:01,660 --> 01:06:59,239
really excited about this may not one

1646
01:07:04,329 --> 01:07:01,670
issue that is criminally ignored on this

1647
01:07:07,269 --> 01:07:04,339
podcast every week is that of ancient

1648
01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:07,279
aliens and I for one want to have it

1649
01:07:10,329 --> 01:07:08,660
really constantly focused on the new

1650
01:07:12,939 --> 01:07:10,339
aliens and forget about the ink that's

1651
01:07:14,769 --> 01:07:12,949
right the Apes ancient aliens is ignored

1652
01:07:16,779 --> 01:07:14,779
and there's a lot of anomalies out there

1653
01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:16,789
that science can't explain and your

1654
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:19,369
order for aliens look and look no agenda

1655
01:07:23,079 --> 01:07:21,529
looks into the political stuff they do a

1656
01:07:24,939 --> 01:07:23,089
great job of mysterious universe

1657
01:07:26,469 --> 01:07:24,949
Australian podcast I think they're a

1658
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,479
great model to follow foster alien

1659
01:07:30,670 --> 01:07:28,400
podcast they do a great job but I want

1660
01:07:32,949 --> 01:07:30,680
to have a roundtable discussion with a

1661
01:07:36,489 --> 01:07:32,959
varying degrees of evidence and sound

1662
01:07:38,410 --> 01:07:36,499
effects and jingles don't wait when is

1663
01:07:41,019 --> 01:07:38,420
that only give me now okay that that the

1664
01:07:43,299 --> 01:07:41,029
first episode will go to wear at 6pm on

1665
01:07:44,890 --> 01:07:43,309
the 7th of january and there's a

1666
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:44,900
facebook page already just look up dirty

1667
01:07:49,390 --> 01:07:47,599
disbelievers and you what frequency what

1668
01:07:50,739 --> 01:07:49,400
band it's going to be on ABC digital

1669
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:50,749
radio which means it's going to be

1670
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:52,130
available throughout Australia if you

1671
01:07:56,259 --> 01:07:54,079
have an ABC if you have a digital radio

1672
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:56,269
you can get over the ears these figures

1673
01:07:59,859 --> 01:07:58,130
are about 10 people that's right if

1674
01:08:01,809 --> 01:07:59,869
they're going to be online and it will

1675
01:08:03,549 --> 01:08:01,819
also be streaming at the same time you

1676
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:03,559
got a couple of you of you I'll be

1677
01:08:07,209 --> 01:08:05,359
listen to streaming and we're also gonna

1678
01:08:10,479 --> 01:08:07,219
have it on as audio thank you very much

1679
01:08:12,429 --> 01:08:10,489
audio on demand as well and those of us

1680
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:12,439
who are going to be overseas in the time

1681
01:08:15,999 --> 01:08:14,089
will be something like 5am at the time

1682
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,009
well you'll be able to do it listen to

1683
01:08:20,010 --> 01:08:17,839
the audio on demand and it won't be a

1684
01:08:23,579 --> 01:08:20,020
podcast but you will be able to audio

1685
01:08:26,649 --> 01:08:23,589
sense key equals hardly ever since Oh

1686
01:08:27,579 --> 01:08:26,659
mrs. just look how you look at that tank

1687
01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:27,589
that actually gets me back to my

1688
01:08:30,609 --> 01:08:28,909
Christmas present think I won't talk

1689
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:30,619
about them may not computer just

1690
01:08:34,329 --> 01:08:32,809
suddenly started talking when you're a

1691
01:08:41,410 --> 01:08:34,339
bachelor who lives alone it's often the

1692
01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:41,420
only feel my voice you hear me

1693
01:08:45,789 --> 01:08:43,909
accountable basically we're gonna stir

1694
01:08:48,129 --> 01:08:45,799
the pot with a really large spoon and

1695
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:48,139
hopefully burn our fingers I'm so

1696
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:49,730
excited about this we're gonna have

1697
01:08:56,620 --> 01:08:50,839
music to it we're gonna have a segment

1698
01:08:58,629 --> 01:08:56,630
called milf music I'd like to forget I'm

1699
01:09:00,549 --> 01:08:58,639
going to have a section we're gonna have

1700
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:00,559
a section called French male cuz let's

1701
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:03,290
face it do you ever get any other sort o

1702
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:06,410
Evan crank mail um and and there's a

1703
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:08,330
friend of mine who is let's say he's

1704
01:09:12,820 --> 01:09:10,880
reality challenged call up Tony push

1705
01:09:14,349 --> 01:09:12,830
we're going to give him one minute each

1706
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,359
week you would a segment called when

1707
01:09:18,910 --> 01:09:16,880
push comes to shove will be discussing

1708
01:09:20,610 --> 01:09:18,920
such things as blowflies he's actually

1709
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:20,620
been on the sex kept concerned before

1710
01:09:24,579 --> 01:09:23,210
yes he was talking about the blow fire

1711
01:09:26,410 --> 01:09:24,589
that had him in for him that day the

1712
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:26,420
first place five summer looking at him

1713
01:09:29,950 --> 01:09:28,130
here basically you know he can do one

1714
01:09:31,570 --> 01:09:29,960
minute about something like no one will

1715
01:09:34,750 --> 01:09:31,580
learn anything from the show but we'll

1716
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:34,760
all come away the wiser what I heard so

1717
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:37,370
may know really and that the the thing

1718
01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:39,410
for the show is if anyone is aware of

1719
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:42,230
the matrix why take the red pill or the

1720
01:09:49,140 --> 01:09:45,410
blue pill when you can take both thank

1721
01:09:51,970 --> 01:09:49,150
you may not what for well you're not yet

1722
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,980
Thank You Ron's to give thank you we're

1723
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:53,359
hurrying now because we run out of time

1724
01:09:59,440 --> 01:09:56,090
thank you drunken man mares thank you

1725
01:10:01,450 --> 01:09:59,450
dr. AG and under the next yes everything

1726
01:10:03,250 --> 01:10:01,460
right I'm just going to say I've written

1727
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:03,260
two posts and one for the conversation

1728
01:10:06,010 --> 01:10:04,970
and one of the drama if people want to

1729
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:06,020
go and have a look and comment I'd

1730
01:10:10,510 --> 01:10:07,850
appreciate it that or they could just

1731
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:10,520
come to my blog got it here's wiki and i

1732
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:12,050
will put a link to that on the show

1733
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:14,930
notes and until our next think tank it's

1734
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:22,010
cheers once again because then i didn't

1735
01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:38,920
hi my name is Erica dining and I

1736
01:10:43,540 --> 01:10:41,060
recently published a book my dad is

1737
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:43,550
Brian Dunning from skeptic calm the

1738
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:45,290
title of my book is polar bear in the

1739
01:10:49,450 --> 01:10:47,510
trial of leadership you can find it on

1740
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:49,460
amazon com or through the link at

1741
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:52,430
skeptic zone TV it is an adventure novel

1742
01:10:56,590 --> 01:10:54,290
about the trials of a group of animals

1743
01:10:58,690 --> 01:10:56,600
trying to escape a corrupt Queen this

1744
01:11:00,700 --> 01:10:58,700
book is great for families adolescents

1745
01:11:02,890 --> 01:11:00,710
and children alike and here it is again

1746
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:02,900
polar bear in the trial of leadership by

1747
01:11:24,610 --> 01:11:21,670
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1748
01:11:26,290 --> 01:11:24,620
zone well what an effort what an effort

1749
01:11:28,150 --> 01:11:26,300
the skeptical community here in

1750
01:11:31,420 --> 01:11:28,160
Australia and I've noticed around the

1751
01:11:33,940 --> 01:11:31,430
world to and making to bring to the

1752
01:11:39,460 --> 01:11:33,950
attention of the Woodford Folk Festival

1753
01:11:41,890 --> 01:11:39,470
organizers the utter nonsense being

1754
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:41,900
spouted by merrill dory and the flying

1755
01:11:48,220 --> 01:11:45,920
monkeys lunacy coming up very soon on

1756
01:11:52,570 --> 01:11:48,230
the skeptic zone we have exciting news

1757
01:11:55,930 --> 01:11:52,580
about a new segment by a mystery new

1758
01:12:00,220 --> 01:11:55,940
report out all who is it it's a mystery

1759
01:12:02,410 --> 01:12:00,230
I can't tell you just yet but they in a

1760
01:12:04,930 --> 01:12:02,420
certain part of the world who I am being

1761
01:12:07,930 --> 01:12:04,940
mysterious I'm very excited and will be

1762
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:07,940
filing reports very soon who will it be

1763
01:12:12,850 --> 01:12:11,030
who is it well keep listening to the

1764
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:12,860
skeptic zone over the next few weeks and

1765
01:12:19,450 --> 01:12:16,850
find out but it's time for me to run out

1766
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:19,460
the door by those our last minute

1767
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:21,650
Christmas presents i found another few

1768
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:25,040
good books for my other nephews and

1769
01:12:30,580 --> 01:12:28,130
nieces one's getting a science sort of

1770
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:30,590
book another one skill or they might be

1771
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:34,190
listening hmm I can't give that away I'm

1772
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:36,410
sure it'll be a great christmas i hope

1773
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,090
you'll have a great Christmas coming up

1774
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:40,400
and i hope that you'll join me next week

1775
01:12:45,700 --> 01:12:43,600
for the next episode of the skeptic zone

1776
01:12:52,500 --> 01:12:45,710
until then this is Richard Saunders

1777
01:12:59,490 --> 01:12:54,480
you've been listening to the skeptic

1778
01:13:03,240 --> 01:12:59,500
zone visit her website at www skeptics